Disclaimer***Acura TL AWD V6-3.7L Technical Service Bulletin # 11-027 Date: 120807
Body - Upper B-Pillar/Moonroof Click/Rattle Or Tap Noises
11-027
August 7, 2012
Applies To:
2009-11 TL - ALL
2012 TL 2WD - From 19UUA8...CA000001 thru 19UUA8...CA030468
2012 SH-AWD - From 19UUA9...CA000001 thru 19UUA9...CA009652
Upper B-Pillar or Moonroof Area Clicks, Rattles, or Taps
(Supersedes 11-027, dated May 11, 2012, to revise the information marked by the black bars and asterisks)
*REVISION SUMMARY
^ In REQUIRED MATERIALS, the materials needed were changed.*
^ In TOOL INFORMATION, a tool was added.
SYMPTOM
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The upper B-pillar or moonroof area clicks, rattles, or taps on one or both sides.
PROBABLE CAUSE
There is insufficient clearance between the metal body panels in the upper B-pillar area.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
Depending on the source of the noise, add sealer between the body panels, or increase the clearance between the body panels.
REQUIRED MATERIALS
*NOTE:
Submit these materials under the Materials Information section of the warranty claim.*
3M Ultrapro Urethane Seam Sealer:
3M P/N 051135-08360
*OR
3M Urethane Seam Sealer (Cartridge):
3M P/N 08362 (Grey)
3M P/N 08365 (Beige)
3M P/N 08367 (Black)
3M P/N 08368 (White)*
TOOL INFORMATION
*3M Professional Caulking Gun:
3M P/N 08993*
KTC Trim Tool Set:
T/N SOJATP2014
Blair Rotabroach Cutter 10 mm located in Blair Metric
Rotabroach Master Hole Cutting Kit:
* T/N BLR112103 located in BLR11201SO*
WARRANTY CLAIM INFORMATION
The normal warranty applies.
Failed Part: 70100-TK4-A01
Defect Code: 07404
Symptom Code: 04201
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Skill Level: Repair Technician
DIAGNOSIS
1. Test-drive the vehicle under the same conditions as the client described.
Does the noise stop or change when:
^ You apply upward pressure to the moonroof glass and/or pull down on its metal channel?
^ You open the moonroof glass 4-5 inches and you pull up or down on the front edge of the glass?
^ You open the moonroof to different positions?
Yes - The noise is moonroof-related, but this service bulletin does not apply.
Continue with normal troubleshooting procedures.
No - The noise is body-related. Go to step 2.
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2. Continue test-driving, and pinch the roof side rail stiffener panel and the roof skin panel with your finger and thumb, at or near the dimple spot.
Does the noise stop?
Yes - The noise is coming from between the roof side rail stiffener and the roof skin. Do REPAIR PROCEDURE A.
No - Go to step 3.
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3. Continue test-driving, and pinch the roof rail and roof skin panel with your finger and thumb, along the back edge corner of the moonroof
opening.
Does the noise stop?
Yes - The noise is coming from along the rearward edge and corner of the moonroof opening between the roof rail and the roof skin. Go to
REPAIR PROCEDURE B.
No - Go to step 4.
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4. Continue test-driving, and apply upward pressure to the headliner along the roof rail panel and/or the roof side rail stiffener.
Does the noise stop?
Yes - Go to REPAIR PROCEDURE C
No - This service bulletin does not apply. Continue with normal troubleshooting procedures.
REPAIR PROCEDURE A
NOTE:
This repair addresses the noise located between the roof side rail stiffener and the roof skin.
1. Cover the center console with a blanket, fender covers, or equivalent.
2. Remove the headliner:
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^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword HEADLINER, and select Headliner
Removal/Installation from the list.
3. Remove the moonroof frame:
^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword MOON, and select
Moonroof Frame and Drain Tube
Replacement from the list.
4. Use a 10 mm or 3/8 in. diameter Rotabroach Hole Cutter to drill a hole into the roof side rail stiffener, next to the most forward dimple spot. Do
not drill deeper than 1 mm, or you may damage the roof skin.
NOTE:
^ Do not use a drill bit.
^ Make sure you use a magnet to remove the
drilled-out disc that falls into the channel of the
side rail stiffener.
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5. Add sealant into the hole that you drilled in the roof side rail stiffener and fill the cavity marked in red.
6. Apply additional sealant between the roof side rail stiffener and the roof skin to fill from the other side of the cavity.
7. Test-drive the vehicle to confirm that the noise is gone before reinstalling the moonroof frame and headliner.
8. Reinstall the moonroof frame:
^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword MOON, and select
Moonroof Frame and Drain Tube
Replacement from the list.
9. Reinstall the headliner:
^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword HEADLINER, and select
Headliner Removal/Installation from the list.
REPAIR PROCEDURE B
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NOTE:
This repair addresses the noise located along the rearward edge and corner of the sunroof opening between the roof rail and the roof skin.
1. Cover the center console with a blanket, fender covers, or equivalent.
2. Remove the headliner:
^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword HEADLINER, and select Headliner Removal/Installation from the list.
3. Remove the moonroof frame:
^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword MOON, and select
Moonroof Frame and Drain Tube
Replacement from the list.
4. Apply sealant between the roof rail panel and the
roof skin panel. Starting at the corner of the roof
side rail stiffener, apply the sealant for 104 mm. Fill
the cavity marked in red.
5. Use your finger to spread and smooth the sealant over the gap.
6. Test-drive the vehicle to confirm that the noise is gone before reinstalling the moonroof and headliner.
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7. Reinstall the moonroof frame:
^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword MOON, and select
Moonroof Frame and Drain Tube Replacement from the list.
8. Reinstall the headliner:
^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword HEADLINER, and select Headliner Removal/Installation from the list.
REPAIR PROCEDURE C
^ Noise 1 - located at the roof arch gusset
^ Noise 2 - located at the roof rail, underneath the rail
extension, where the roof side rail stiffener contacts
the roof rail
1. Cover the center console with a blanket, fender covers, or equivalent.
2. Remove the headliner:
^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword HEADLINER, and select
Headliner Removal/Installation from the list.
3. Remove the moonroof frame:
^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword MOON, and select
Moonroof Frame and Drain Tube
Replacement from the list.
Noise 1:
1. Do the Battery Disconnect Procedure:
^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword BATT, and select Battery Terminal Disconnection and Reconnection from the list.
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2. Remove the three bolts from the side curtain airbag, then remove the two red clips.
3. Pull down on the airbag to access the gusset bolts.
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4. Remove the four bolts from the roof arch gusset,
and install flat washers (ID 10 mm, OD 20 mm,
thickness 1.5 mm) between the body panel and the
gusset. Torque the bolts to 9.8 Nm (7.2 lb.ft).
5. Test-drive the vehicle to confirm the noise is gone before reinstalling the moonroof and headliner.
^ If the noise still exists, do the Noise 2 repair procedure.
^ If noise is gone, go to step 6.
6. Reinstall the moonroof frame:
^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword MOON, and select Moonroof Frame and Drain Tube Replacement from the list.
7. Reinstall the headliner:
^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword HEADLINER, and select Headliner Removal/Installation from the list.
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Noise 2:
1. Prepare the tool:
^ Take a 16D nail and grind the head down to a half-moon shape.
^ Grind the tip to a point similar to a pencil.
NOTE:
Make sure you have a putty knife with a
blade that is at least 4 in. wide. The putty knife will
be used as a shield to prevent damage to the roof
skin during this repair. The nail will be used to pry
and separate the roof side rail stiffener from the
roof rail.
2. Place the putty knife in the working area between
the roof skin and roof rail to prevent the nail from
damaging the roof.
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3. Insert the nail into the rear side of the roof rail.
Drive it in using a hammer until it contacts the edge
of the roof side rail stiffener. Mark this spot at the
head of the nail, and then drive it in an additional
5 mm after contact with the edge of stiffener to
separate the two panels.
4. Remove the nail using vice grips and a hammer, if needed.
NOTE:
Be careful not to damage the roof skin during removal.
5. Test-drive the vehicle to confirm the noise is gone
before reinstalling the moonroof and the headliner.
6. Reinstall the moonroof frame:
^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword MOON, and select
Moonroof Frame and Drain Tube Replacement from the list.
7. Reinstall the headliner:
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^ Refer to the appropriate service manual, or
^ Online, enter keyword HEADLINER, and select
Headliner Removal/Installation from the list.
